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It don't hunt because you are either a bald faced liar, or pathetically bad at math.

I have not decided which yet.

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Vito asks about Ford's QUALITY IS JOB 1 program which gave control to line people in order to produce a higher quality product.

There were two problems that I can see with this and let's state the easiest first. Because of the history (you cannot disconnect it) of management/employee relations in US auto plants, many employees are reluctant to do anything but their stated job - and their unions support these actions. They are of the impression, and in a lot of cases rightly so, that bringing any attention to their job would have negative results for them personally. So while they had they power to do something, they associated negative ramifications to it, and thus, it had little effect. What effect it did have I will go into next.

So when there were problems, the buck was passed to their [sign in to see URL] his boss... then in some cases HIS boss ( or her boss). So, when managing the suppliers, information suppliers got was third hand in a lot of cases and was being explained to them by someone who didn't wholly grasp the situation like the directly affected worker. Instead of letting you deal with the worker, many execs feared (in my opinion) that this would reflect negatively on their control of their departments and their ability. So they brought you in, chewed your tail, and expected miracles. So, solutions set in place were hit and miss, trial and error. It produced a LOT of waste and rejected parts.

This all goes back to the difference I see in the management style of the US autos and the Toyota's and Hondas... Management KNEW that they were dependant upon the worker and the worker FELT that in their relations. The worker had a sense of belonging to the problem and owning the solution. When this is in place, things change. In the US autos, and edict is handed down that the worker has no personal attatchment to and is suspicious of. He then follows it to the letter, instead of tweaking solutions to fit the problem, he uses a black and white [sign in to see URL] the solution WORKED or it DID NOT WORK. Often, you scrap the entire solution and work on another... with the Toyotas you were given room to adjust on the fly and when everything was right, then the edict came down from management and, here is a significant difference, KUDOS were given to the employee (sometimes in the form of $$$$$$) or employees and the supplier who worked the solution. It was given texture and depth so that everyone could see the working from begining to end and may be able to apply these to their own work stations. It was a cooperative effort. The main ingredient missing was EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION in the solution. People will forgo pay if they feel vital and necessary to the final product's good results. Workers at Toyota feel great pride in their finished goods and their productivity numbers. They are rewarded with not only money but with ATTA BOYS. It makes a huge difference.

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Here is one of Ford's QIJ1 ads from 1993.

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Here's an interesting article from 2001. Ford implemented [sign in to see URL] a number of other industries have also dabbled - including during my military days and now in healthcare.

Slight variations in the terminology used, but it still garners the same sorts of results: a slow, multiple cmte meetings, time consuming, step by painful step addressing of the [sign in to see URL] another process to resolve it.

Apparently, only a rash of deaths, injuries, or pending lawsuits with validity can speed up the process.

Consumer-driven Six Sigma saves Ford $300 million.

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Ford Motor Co. made "Quality Is Job 1" a household slogan in the 1980s as it introduced revolutionary new products and used Total Quality Management to drive down costs and capture market share. Lately, however, the No. 2 automaker has been plagued by quality gaffes that have cost it dearly in customer satisfaction and market share. In fact, according to a recent J.D. Power & Associates survey, Ford has fallen behind arch-rival General Motors Corp. in overall quality and now ranks last among the big-seven automakers.

 Although Ford has recently faced more than its fair share of very public quality problems, including the Explorer tire debacle, it actually began overhauling its quality process nearly two years ago. As might be expected with an organization with $180 billion in annual revenue and 345,000 employees scattered around the globe, the results take time to show.

 Ford didn't just decide to overhaul its quality processes; it has redefined the way it approaches its business. Instead of acting like the manufacturing behemoth that it is, Ford wants to be known as a consumer products company.

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It don't hunt because you are either a bald faced liar, or pathetically bad at math.

I have not decided which yet.



Really???

Prove me a liar.

Prove my math to be wrong.

Put up or shut up.

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Won't hunt??

It won't hunt because YOU don't want it to hunt.

$160 billion for ONE man who loses the company $13 million VS $1 million for ONE man who makes the company millions.


$160 billion??? Ok... you are a liar who cant add either.

lol

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So, $160 million instead of $160 billion makes it OK???



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Assuming your number is correct,(which it's not) it still doesn't make your argument.

How much is the bailout figure? Ask yourself that, then do some math.

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Pinhead,

The CEO at Toyota (who turns a profit) makes less than one million.

The CEO at Ford (who does not make a profit) makes $39 million for 4 months work that produces a $13 million LOSS.

What does the bailout figure have to do with that??

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So?

Again how muuch is the bailout figure? It's 25 BILLION

I've NEVER disagreed with you that CEO pay should not be capped... AND tied to results..... no results... no pay.

However one cannot mathmaticly make the argument that "the need for the bailout is due to CEO pay" The math simply does not add up.

There are many factors involved in the overall reasons the Big 3 are sucking wind... from piss poor management to piss poor union workers who's performance sucks as bad as some of managements decisions.

Again, look at the Toyota America and Honda America comparisions. They are INCREASING jobs. Why? Because they have their !@#$ together, have better systems, and no Union baggage.

The Big 3 can go to hell. And fix their own problems.

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