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    Being self-reliant is also better than being hungry.

    Much better.





Yeah, if those !@#$ 2 year olds would just get a job. Jeeez.



If you can't feed em don't breed em.



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Hey Elk!!
Y U such a fukkin liar?
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Be reasonable, though, Elk otherwise you pro-life stance seems hypocritical.

There are several problems with not feeding them that end up being trouble down the line and end up exacerbating a problem conservatives feel exists in a vacuum.

First off, it ain't their fault. If you have any compassion at all, that right there should sway you. A poor defenseless child cries in agony (and starvation IS agony) so you can make a point about not having children if you aren't financially able. Really? Is that REALLY you in your heart?

But even if that doesn't sway you, maybe talking ramifications to all of us will. You are a conservative, and traditionally conservatives are budget conscious about what is spent. Spending a little more now to save much more later is very appealing.

So I tell you, consider the ramifications to SOCIETY if we do not feed those children or leave it to the compassion of individuals to take it upon themselves. Going hungry also means lacking proper nutrition. Nutrition is vital in learning and learning is the key to upward mobility - and we need more people earning more in this country. We want to keep these kids off the dole if we can, and believe it or not, it starts with NUTRITION.

If you want the FUTURE to be less of a drain on the welfare system, you have to spend now in order to stop it later. I am not saying just give out blind money, although I have another theory about that which I will save for another post sometime.

The current system could be modified to put more control over what recipients are able or allowed to do with their stipend to make conservatives feel better, but it HAS TO happen if you want the cycle to end.

And you must stop thinking so punitively about it. The HELP is for the babies, the toddlers... the INNOCENTS. Yes, of course, SOME people will get by on the system - ok? Deal with that fact because it will always be there. You STILL do it, and it will give you something to !@#$ about at a later date I suppose

The federal government is the best option, I think, because they can cover the largest swath of unfed kids so they can be more effective at feeding large numbers of kids - I don't see how anyone could argue that. Sure there is room for local and individual work so the entirety of support does not have to be done federally, but for the plan to work it must start by taking care of the greatest number it can.

Plus, not feeding them is also a drain on us because the CHEAP food is the stuff that is bad for you. Nutrition also plays a key in HEALTH and the healthier we start them off the less diabetic, ADHD, depressed, anxiety-riddled, or cancer-ridden adults we will have to continue to support - and not just their food now!

My appeal to you is to reconsider your stance. Not agree totally with me, mind you, but just to rethink it.

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My appeal to you is to reconsider your stance. Not agree totally with me, mind you, but just to rethink it.



That one word is the issue. A mindless drone like Elk doesn't think. He just parrots what he's been told to say or write.
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Mind, First of all, I have my own children and grand children. I would spend my last penny and give my last crumb of food to keep them from being hungry. I would forgo any of my own vices and comfort to see they are properly fed, clothed, sheltered, medicated and educated. I am responsible for them being here and their well being. They come first.

I have raised them to know that they take care of their own as well, without exception. They will be self reliant and responsible for their own lives, actions and reproduction behaviors. This is what I have chosen to do. Isn't choice great?

I am not a monster. I would feed a starving child until the parents or grand parents are found and held accountable. This is where our system fails. Holding the parents accountable. If a mother can not properly take care of her own that she has right now, she should not be allowed to continue to pump out babies at taxpayer expense. Mandatory sterilization for mother and father. Mandatory work requirements. Mandatory drug treatment. No 100 channel cable tv. No smokes, booze or drugs at taxpayer expense. I'm sure yo get the idea

Most of our towns and cities have better programs for dogs and cats than for humans. The owners are held accountable. If you are found guilty of starving your dog. It can be taken away, you may be fined and possible jail time. There are leash laws, mandatory spay and neuter laws and limits on the number of pets you can have in a town or city.

Aid to dependent children should be temporary not a life style choice.

My opposition to welfare is not about not feeding a starving child but opposition to handing out millions of taxpayer $$$ with no strings attached.

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Elk, Y U such a fukkin liar?
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You want the govt to FORCE women to have children... but you don't want the govt to aid/assist feeding or caring for them claiming it isn't the govts job. Let them go hungry because its better than being dead.

I realize you are too !@#$ stupid to see how ridiculous those two positions together are... and how stupid you sound making them. But everyone else does.
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To add to Curtis' post, and I surprised he didn't make the point to go along with his, but you are ANTI-abortion but PRO-forced sterilization?

Again, you have to get past attempting to build in some sort of punishment to go along with feeding poor children.

I am all for making the program more cost prohibitive but I am not going to forego feeding children in order to get some sort of vengeance against the parents.

At some point you are simply punishing the poor for being poor and further exacerbating the overall poverty, which will only create a system that will definitely be self-perpetuating

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