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Re: This is why Black people are upset


I'm putting forth the possibility that the BLM-type movements have limited resources and finite political capital. I'm suggesting that they are wasting their resources targeting the wrong people.

The rallies are breaking windows, setting fires, etc. They are telling all of the newspapers that everyone in the neighborhood is pro-slavery.....



Imagine growing up a third, fourth or fifth generation American citizen, and being reminded on a daily basis that "all men are created equal" is a load of horseshit.

But that's the problem in a nutshell, isn't it? You CAN'T imagine it.





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I can and do acknowledge it.

Per dog's graph, it can not be denied that, among the cops who shoot unarmed people, blacks are targeted more than whites.

I'm simply suggesting that it's a waste of time and money to attack, preach to and accuse the cops who already get it; the cops who don't do this, the cops who would not use deadly force if they faced the same scenario.

Not only is it a waste of time and money, the blanket accusations turn the public against police who already get it. It deprives them of the public trust and cooperation that is the most valuable resource needed to do their job.

And when they are unable to do their job, the areas with the highest crime rates suffer the most. We've already agreed on which neighborhoods those are.

And when the police are unable to protect those neighborhoods (due to the loss of trust and cooperation), guess what they will be accused of?

This is not a defense of racism. It's not a denial of the existence of privilege. It's simply a walk-through of how I drew my conclusions.

We can agree to disagree. I don't subscribe to "if you don't agree with my opinion, then you are a racist".

If we draw different conclusions from the same information, I'm fine with that. It's what makes the board fun. It helps us better understand why people oppose each other politically.

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Shar, where are cops who "already get it?"

One I know of was fired for NOT using deadly force. He was trying to talk a guy into calmness.

What about those minorities who were shot in the back? Who were shot for reaching for the documents an officer requested? For walking along a street. For a minor traffic stop?

That's what ticks people off. And they are even more ticked off when justice is ignored by judges and juries in such cases.

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OP

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about how the police treat them:
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This scumbag had over a hundred criminal records, shot and killed a cop who was an outstanding member of his community, but he was arrested without harm. He was White, like most guys who kill cops.
But when a Black man is arrested, for ANYTHING, he faces the risk of being shot to death. This has to end!



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Attorney General Says Report on Ferguson, MO. Police Is 'Searing'


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Attorney General Eric Holder said Wednesday that even though the Justice Department will not charge a Ferguson, Mo., police officer with civil rights violations in last year’s shooting death of Michael Brown, it will guarantee the city takes “immediate, wholesale and structural corrective action” after a report found a pattern of racial bias.


AG Session's pulled the plug on any changes the U S Justice Dept were implementing in MO, because GOP SMALL GOVERNMENT means Washington DC needs to mind its own business.

Mind Riot might be able to give us local details on that.

IMO, you have to separate the argument of "racism" and "bad cops and the city councils that employ them". Otherwise conservatives drag the already complicated subject all over the place.

Anyone can get active in local politics and address bad policing. Addressing local racism is a ship unto itself.

I think there have been maybe about 3 BLM rallies that have turned violent the last 4 years. Out of 1000's of protests.

To say those "rallies" are causing a Minneapolis cop to unload his gun into a cooperating man sitting in his car, with his kid and girlfriend, in broad day light, because he had a tail light out, is ridiculous.

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Shar, you've lost me. Who are the better targets for BLM people?





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Who exactly should BLM be targeting, if not the police and or their culture of acceptable implicit racism, in addition to flat out racism, that permeates law enforcement across this country?
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It's tough to get to that hurdle before we clear the "every cop is a racist who wants to shoot unarmed blacks in the back" hurdle.

We'll just have to accept that we've drawn different conclusions and leave it there.

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It's tough to get to that hurdle before we clear the "every cop is a racist who wants to shoot unarmed blacks in the back" hurdle.

We'll just have to accept that we've drawn different conclusions and leave it there.



So you can't answer the question?
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Can't logically answer if no common ground can be found at the premise. If we can find some agreement, then the discussion can achieve it's goal by proceeding to the disagreed point from the agreed point.

So in this matter where no common ground is to be found, I can only whisper words of wisdom; Let it be.

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Shar, I don't think anyone was saying EVERY cop is racist.
My original premise was that the worst cop killer who happens to be White is often talked into giving up, while Black people feel that no matter what they might be arrested for or even encountered in what is considered a 'wrong place', their experience with cops could result in their death.
Those two young Black men in that Starbucks were handcuffed and led away under arrest because a Starbucks employee felt threatened by their presence. Then another incident was filmed in which a Black man was denied use of the bathroom even though he had purchased a coffee there, then he sees a White man come out of the bathroom the lady had given the code to access the bathroom even though HE hadn't purchased anything! How would you like to live in a climate of hatred and fear like that every day?
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